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Title: Small, freshwater, surface dwelling fish ideas.


Leema - February 18, 2006 07:15 AM (GMT)
I've got a 10gallon... A Jebo 338.

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At the moment, there is one tiny bristlenose in it. The bristlenose will be removed when too big and replaced (as my bristlenoses breed frequently).

I plan to put 10 hastatus cories in there - a type of dwarf cories, for those who are unfamiliar with them. They're tiny. :P
But seeing as they spend lots of time at the bottom of the tank, I am looking for a small, freshwater, surface dwelling fish for this tank. Right now, the only thing I can think of is a handful of guppies (babies could be moved to my other tanks).

Maybe you'll have better ideas. :wub:

Perfectblue - February 18, 2006 07:29 AM (GMT)
How big do the Cories get? Threadfin Rainbows seem to swim around the upper region of a tank as do White Clouds.

Beautiful planted tank btw. :)

Leema - February 18, 2006 07:58 AM (GMT)
Here's the hastatus corydoras fact sheet:
http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/corydoras_hastatus.html
Up to 3cm. :)

I've never seen Threadfins before. Thanks for showing me this species. I was under the impression that rainbows needed quite an area to swim? Also, the little bit I've read on the threadfins suggest that they prefer a gentle current, while this tank is quite violent in it's water flow...
If you still think the threadfins are 'reasonable', how many would fit in the tank?
How about dwarf neon rainbows? I don't mind those, but were put off by the swimming area (as I don't think there's enough).

As for minnows - I've had those and I'm just looking for something different. :)

Thanks for your reply. :D
And I'm glad you like my aquascaping. :) It's my best looking tank at the moment.

Perfectblue - February 18, 2006 08:30 AM (GMT)
What are the dimensions of your tank? Also what filter are you running on this tank?


QUOTE (Leema @ Feb 18 2006, 02:58 AM)
I've never seen Threadfins before. Thanks for showing me this species. I was under the impression that rainbows needed quite an area to swim? Also, the little bit I've read on the threadfins suggest that they prefer a gentle current, while this tank is quite violent in it's water flow...
If you still think the threadfins are 'reasonable', how many would fit in the tank?


Since the tank is planted, if you have proper filtration, and keep up on water changes you could do:

5-6 Threadfin Rainbows
4-5 Hastatus Cories

Threadfin Rainbows are slender active fish that contribute a small bioload, so they are great for smaller tanks. Here is a site with info and great pictures of Threadfin Rainbowfish:

http://members.optushome.com.au/chelmon/werneri_main.htm

QUOTE (Leema @ Feb 18 2006, 02:58 AM)
How about dwarf neon rainbows? I don't mind those, but were put off by the swimming area (as I don't think there's enough).


Neon Dwarf Rainbowfish are alittle larger then Threadfins and need a 15-20 gallon tank in my opinion.

Leema - February 18, 2006 10:17 AM (GMT)
This tank is 42cm long, 33cm heigh and 26cm deep. I was very surprised when I measured it - I thought it was more tall than long. I'm running the filter that came with the unit... I know nothing about it, sorry. :unsure:

I'm definitely getting the 10 hastatus cories. I've had poor success rates with them before, and I've been told they do better when purchased and kept in a larger school... So that's what I'll be doing. Plus, I'm in love with them. :P

Those needlefins are SO pretty. I looked up pictures that didn't do them justice, really. I'm certainly going to be keeping them in mind when stocking my 5ft. :D


EDIT: Just thought I'd add, the filter pump says that it goes through 300L/hr.

Sergeant Major - February 18, 2006 01:43 PM (GMT)
In my experience, guppies will not stay at the surface, they will only rise to the surface for feeding. Most of the time, they stay in the middle or bottom.

Celebes Rainbowfish will stay near the surface, especially if in a school.

MAZZA_402 - February 20, 2006 11:00 PM (GMT)
Celebes Rainbows get way too big for a 10 gallon. It's best to keep them in a school, however I've got one right now that schools with zebra danios and my rummynose tetra. Very strange looking, but it seems to work. Celebes are very beautiful fish, especially in a school. I'm really thinking about getting a school of about 7-9 of them in my 40 gallon.

You might even try zebra danios. I never thought much of them til I bought some. They are very hardy and great schooling fish. Some of mine tend to stay towards the surface, while the others tend to stay near the middle or bottom.

What about tetras? You could put quite a few in a 10 gallon. A nice school of tetras and cories would be cool.

Leema - February 21, 2006 05:08 AM (GMT)
I've been considering tetras... Not sure which, though?
I don't want black widow tetras or fish like them... (Got them already, not a big fan.)

I don't particularly like neon tetras, but I'm thinking that they'd look HOT in that tank. I think their colour would really work.

Would 10 neons and 10 hastatus cories fit in there, though?

What other small tetras would you suggest?

MAZZA_402 - February 21, 2006 01:41 PM (GMT)
I'm all about overstocking as long as you have adequate filtration and make sure each fish has enough room. If it doesn't look right, too overcrowded, it is. You can always try rummynose tetras. They are beautiful fish. They get a little larger than neon tetras, also. They aren't as common, either, which makes them even better in my books. I haven't seen that particular cory, so I'm not sure how small they are. I'd add your fish slowly, and if it starts to look overcrowded, you know you are at your limit.

If this helps.... I had 20 inches of fish in my 10 gallon. I had a Penguin 200 biowheel filter on it. It worked really well. I never had a single water problem. My nitrates ran a bit high, but with regular water changes, it was kept under control.

Leema - February 22, 2006 05:21 AM (GMT)
I understand the difference between 'overstocked' and 'overcrowded'.
As my 10 hastatus cories are going to be at the bottom-middle and my other fish will be in the middle-top, I think it'd be tough for things to become too crowded, if y'know what I mean? Or so I suspect and hope!

I was thinking about rummy-noses, Mazza. :D They are a possibility. ;)

Perfectblue - February 22, 2006 05:32 AM (GMT)
Imo Rummynose Tetras get too large for your ten gallon and the fact that you are going to add 10 cories also, so I would do a smaller species of tetras such as Neon, Black Neon, or Glowlight and 6 would be the most you could keep imo. :) Also keep us updated on how your tank is doing.

CatLover - February 23, 2006 12:34 AM (GMT)
Yeah, look at glowlight tetra. I would agree with Perfectblue in that Rummynose would be too large for a 10 gallon. I have 5 in my 29 gallon- they are stunning with dark substrate. I really want to get more, but when I got this group they really had more trouble getting comfortable in their new tank than any other fish I have gotten. I lost a couple in the first 36 hours and that makes me so sad. Some people say that they just have a high mortality rate when adjusting to transport and stuff, but I still feel so guilty when a fish dies under my care. --got a little off there, but has anyone else had adjusting difficulties with rummynose tetra?

I would definitely look at glowlight tetra, they were going to be my second choice. Rummynose tetra are so hard to find!

I love those catfish. Where did you find them? :?: Are you going to have them shipped in?

I thought my pandas were small!

29 gallon- 6 neons, 5 rummynose, 2 peppered cories, 2 spotted cories, 3 panda cories

My 10 gallon has guppies. They are all over the tank. My pandas used to be in that tank, but the guppies would always steal any sinking foods that I would put in for the pandas! They are PIGS! The females are so messy

I love the tank pictures. I'm sure the cories will be adorable in there! :D

Leema - February 23, 2006 04:29 AM (GMT)
Thanks for your responses. ^_^

I was having a look at rummynoses and thinking they are too big, too. Maybe rummynoses are a possibility for fish tank number 5... :o
:lol:
We always have plenty of rummynoses at our local fish store... Not rare here! :)

I had forgotten about glolights! They are a possibility... Hmmmm...
I'm not sure if their colour might 'clash' with the tank though... Hard choice, between them and neons. :P

The hastatus are at our local fish store! I'm going to be getting them soon. I'm so excited! :D They're about $11 each (not much compared to the rest of you, I know...) and they're just SO CUTE. :) They're so spunky.

I've never been to successful with guppies. <_< I've tried numerous times, but no such luck. I've got one male left and I doubt I'm going to try again...


Another option I was thinking for this tank is a solitary 'largish' fish, like, perhaps, a dwarf gourami? Any ideas in this boat?

Perfectblue - February 23, 2006 04:52 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Leema @ Feb 22 2006, 11:29 PM)
Another option I was thinking for this tank is a solitary 'largish' fish, like, perhaps, a dwarf gourami? Any ideas in this boat?

That is a great idea. You could house a single Dwarf Gourami or Honey Gourami. You could also house a Ram, or Apisto.

bartier - February 23, 2006 12:22 PM (GMT)
my guppies are always at the top however i do believe they may be mosquito fish i will look into it for you however you may be looking for something a bit brighter

bartier - February 23, 2006 12:26 PM (GMT)
well they aren't mosquito fish does anyone know if guppies can be clearish brown and not have any fancy fins just average size ones?

jadefoodog - February 23, 2006 03:40 PM (GMT)
feeeeeeeder guppies

Leema - February 23, 2006 09:49 PM (GMT)
I just looked up the two gouramis. They sound good. :up:

My current is sort of rough in that little tank. There's places for something small to hide, but not really something like a gourami. Do you think a gourami would dislike the current?
I read online that they prefer to be in groups. Is this true or not the case?

bartier - yes, guppies come with no colouration. I've had a few. Most of the time they're used as feeders, as jade said.

bartier - February 24, 2006 05:28 AM (GMT)
mine aren't feeder guppies lol guess they are the same breed but they live in my dam and after two days from being taken from the dam to my tank they already rush to the top to get food off me when i come close :)

Leema - February 24, 2006 06:31 AM (GMT)
Mosquito fish are feral in Australia. Guppies aren't. Probably mosquitos.

CatLover - February 24, 2006 11:11 PM (GMT)
Keep us posted on the new cories when you get them. I just can't get over those pictures and how cute they must be. I just visualize a little shoal of them swimming around in my 29 gallon . . . oh well, I probably won't ever find any.

Please post some pictures of them when you get them in the tank. I'm sure they will look great!

:D

Sergeant Major - February 24, 2006 11:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (MAZZA_402 @ Feb 20 2006, 11:00 PM)
Celebes Rainbows get way too big for a 10 gallon.

Well one doesn't... or even two... it just doesn't give them very much free swimming room. But it is perfectly do-able from a bio-filtration standpoint.

Leema - February 25, 2006 08:04 AM (GMT)
I went to get the hastatus yesterday, but there were none in. :( They're gonna call me when they get some... But I was so excited and then. :(

I will definitely send pictures. B) It'd be more hard for me NOT to.


I still haven't decided on the 'not bottom dwelling' fish, yet. :)

These are what I'm considering:
1 gourami (honey or dwarf) OR
6 neon tetras OR
6 glolights OR
4 guppies

What would you choose? :?:

Perfectblue - February 25, 2006 08:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Leema @ Feb 25 2006, 03:04 AM)
I still haven't decided on the 'not bottom dwelling' fish, yet. :)

These are what I'm considering:
1 gourami (honey or dwarf) OR
6 neon tetras OR
6 glolights OR
4 guppies

What would you choose?  :?:

That sucks that they didn't have any cories left. Hmm I would choose either the Gourami or Neon Tetras. A Gourami would be a nice centerpiece fish, and inhabit all levels of your tank. Neon Tetras look great in a small planted tank, and in my experience tend to stick closer to the middle and bottom levels of an aquarium, but are peaceful so they would get along great with the cories. I have never kept Glowlights but they seem to be a great little schooling fish. I have never really been interested in Guppies, but it is your tank so you decide. :) I would also love to see more pics of your tank.

FishyFry - February 25, 2006 01:42 PM (GMT)
Because of the space that schooling fish like to have, I would go with the neons since they are smaller. But I think the 4 Guppies would look best in that tank.

Leema - February 25, 2006 10:59 PM (GMT)
I just thought I'd share these pictures of the tank... There was a bit of algae growing on most things (black beard), so I pruned of the leaves on the anubis with algae and those of the hygrophillia. However, on the hygrophillia, there wasn't much left. :P So I replanted the tuffs in the corner. It'll shoot again in no time.

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I think I can scrap the glolight idea. For some reason, I'm just not seeing the orange working in that tank. :blink:

But I still can't decide. :( One big fish or many small fish?
I've got one guppy boy at the moment, so I'd only have to get 3 girls... Cheaper than the neons or gourami, so that's appealing. :P And I've kept guppies with hastatus before, I think.

But there is the temptation of trying something new with the neons or the gourami. B)

Maybe what I'll do is put guppies in there initially and, if they aren't filling the space like I wanted them to, then consider different fish. There is enough space for my guppies in my 'live bearer' tank (with 4 sailfins and the guppy boy in there right now). So this would probably work.
I tried guppies about 3 months ago, though, and I've lost them all except this guppy boy. :angry: So I don't know if I want to risk it again... But they were all from the same shop, so I'm leaning towards their problem and not mine... ?

CatLover - February 26, 2006 12:37 AM (GMT)
In my experience, guppies are just almost immortal fish! :lol: They just don't die. Maybe its just the ones I've bought. They also do a lot of breeding and are very messy. I am so happy because I just found a home for the rest of my guppies and fry. So in a few days, I will have an empty 10 gallon tank to play with! :D

I would guess that the guppy death is probably the store's problem. I've just found them to be almost impossible to kill. (not that I'm trying, but you know what I mean)

:D I think any of your choices will look great.

I just visited the 3 stores in my area that carry fish. No luck finding those cute little cories . . . :(

ME_FISHY` - February 26, 2006 02:20 AM (GMT)
It is just the ones you bought, mine have died a ton. But i personally like honey or dwarf gouramis, a couple of them.

CatLover - February 26, 2006 04:35 AM (GMT)
My guppies have been bought at 2 separate stores and I have had really good luck with all of them.

Anyway, this post is off topic. Sorry!

Leema - February 26, 2006 06:00 AM (GMT)
CatLover - did you try asking if they can get them in? Only one FS around here regularly has them in, but others have offered to order them in for me. B) Good luck! They're so gorgeous.

I think if I was to do guppies again, I wouldn't get all the posh pretty ones again. :angry: One of the aquarium stores has nice big females, that aren't so pretty. So I might try a few of those.

ME_FISHY... Do you think 2 gouramis would fit in the 10gallon with the 10 hastatus and bristlenose? :o

CatLover - February 26, 2006 06:11 PM (GMT)
I may ask, that is a good idea. I know PetSmart won't order anything for me, but there's this other store that has ordered rummy nose tetra for me. I might try them.

Too bad you don't live close because I have some really nice, hardy guppy fry. I am so sick of seeing fry being eaten and stuff all the time. The females are so messy- just poop all the time. I originally started by buying fry that were about 1 inch. That is what mine are right now.

Anyway, thanks for the idea of asking about the cories . . . :D

Leema - February 27, 2006 07:01 AM (GMT)
Don't live close? You're in Texas! :lol: You made it sound like you were in another state, not another country.
Ah well.
I find that if I go to a PET SHOP instead of a FISH SHOP, the guppies are hardier (in past experience). Might try that. ;)




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